A Participant says:
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I can promise you that scripts are being read. Well, if they are professionally written they are being read. The sheer volume of crap is as you say, astounding. And a staggering number are thrown out immediately. The others are being read. If it's great you might get an option. Beyond that I don't know what their goal is but they aren't doing this with the intent of NOT finding something. It just needs to be great.
Long term I agree -- even for a company with a 275 billion market cap paying someone 25 bucks to read a piece of shit doesn't seem to be a good long term investment when you can find what you are looking for through traditional channels - stuff that has been vetted by someone else already.
John, it is true writers do themselves no good to chase the carrot of 'false hope'.
But, if one much write for mental and emotional health, I always say, write your screenplay the way you want to see it on the screen, then write the novel version, and you eyes will open like never before. Then you will see there are other avenues for writers other than a billion people writing screenplays that will never be made.
If you are good, then nothing is stopping you from publishing your novel and starting a following.
John, post a script so we can see your work.
its hard where ever you go, but one thing about amazon studios is, it gives you that hope to try and try again making you a better writer. i up-load a short book i wrote some 5 years ago, i took one look at the first page and realized how bad my writing was. i am not the best writer in the world, however, after writing on here for the past few years, i have noticed that my writing skills have drastically, improved.
thank you nameless/faceless person for your powerful essay cautioning serious writers from submitting to Amazon Studios. the fewer serious writers who submit here, the better chances for the rest of us to be discovered here.
This opportunity is just that, and one of many. I wrapped up my latest script two weeks ago and have been query blitzing all over. This week I've fired off 120 already, and this is without going the VPF or contest route.
I do pay the $60 for four months of the InkTip newsletter because of the sheer number of calls-for-scripts there; usually 6-13 per week. Most of them are for very low budget stuff, but not all, and it is more useful for those writers with several or more screenplays. Also, I see more and more calls for pilots and bibles, so it's not just features anymore: https://www.inktip.com/ep_newsletters.php
We can't let any one opportunity to go to our heads on the "hope-meter", because it's just too depressing. At least Amazon, as mentioned with its "275 billion market cap", does have some money to make our stories, and as I've mentioned, they've assembled a pretty decent staff list (as seen on IMDBpro). They're serious, but I'd expect Jeff Bezos to invest most wisely in opportunities to crack the market that others are skittish about. I've cut them lots of slack.
A Participant says:
Thank you John Jennings! Finally somebody who's eyes are open besides mine!
A Participant says:
Jack I could not agree more, your eyes are opened too! That was the whole purpose of my rant a week or two ago.
Stick around. Keep track of how many times a nameless/faceless poster rants about how Amazon Studios is not the opportunity of a lifetime they expected it would be.
Any negativity toward Amazon is surely misdirected. No company of this size openly says "send us your amateur shit and we'll give it a shot." It's unprecedented. It's a ridiculously good opportunity. A truly GREAT script gives you a shot. Outside of the Blacklist I don't think there is a better opportunity for an amateur writer. The negativity and woe is me nonsense speaks to the amateur mindset. You're better off looking inward rather than directing your anger at a faceless entity like AS. Write something great. Act like a professional and stop whining. Or don't submit here. It's not compulsory.
Soooooo IF this is not the place to be then I have to ask, "WHY, are you here?" (The ones saying this isn't the place to submit)
I made a living as an artist on freelance and I had to hit every door and opportunity to find my breaks. It was never "One" company, project, or accomplishment that made my career.
You better have more than just script writing in your bag of tricks.
Kieth, he has no scripts no profile. i wounder if his name really is john Jennings. or TROLL.
he has two scripts submitted privately. it's not a good idea to post a rant against a company you hope to be your future source of income.
I wonder if he's the John Jennings who was an American multi-instrumentalist and music producer who died in October of 2015. Spooky. scary. voices from the after-life. There's a new concept for your next book.
Neal i have a spooky book. thanks just the same.
@Neal B: ...."he has two scripts submitted privately".... Well, the post said Serious writers not to submit to amazon.... I guess he doesn't see himself as a serious writer.
I think he wants to scare away the serious writers so his scripts have a better chance. but your conclusion is also valid = he doesn't consider himself a serious writer based on the fact he submitted here.
I agree with Steven brockwell at first I have no idea how do write screen play but after I join AS I writing is improving. no matter how many times you get rejected keep writing someday you see your self on the top. we learn from our mistake that's make us human and I great full to AS for giving me this opportunity
A Participant says:
Good advice. I have a completed screenplay I'm considering using as the outline for a long form prose treatment of the story.
In fact, I would appreciate another set of eyes on that particular script. It's currently under consideration at Zoetrope, and their rules preclude from putting it up anywhere publicly at the moment, but will post it here after the 2/15 results.
A Participant says:
@Mike Smith - If you know for a fact scripts are being read I would have to defer to that knowledge; I'm only speculating. That's encouraging news then. Still, all outward signs seem to show the studio really isn't using this submission system as a source for new material. I guess you'll have to count me as 'respectfully dubious'. It just seems very hard for me to believe a live human being actual reads even a page or two of the scripts the way they move through the submission statuses as if they're on auto-pilot.
As an experiment I uploaded twenty movie scripts to Amazon over the past few days...around fifty percent of them were either PAGE finalists or placed in the Nicholls or Austin Film Festival...a few have even been optioned. I've been writing for a good few years. So far here's the result...I think it's safe to say they cover pretty much all genres...I didn't put my musical in there because I didn't think it was worth it...but I have Horror, Thriller, Action, Animation, Comedy, Action/Adventure, TV Pilots, etc, etc. all of these scripts are at PRIVATE level...not viewable by the public. I wasn't expecting anything...and they haven't disappointed...but there is a disconnect between how they evaluate.
Out of 20 scripts, ten have been rejected...without them ever having been downloaded...so does this just mean they only skim the loglines? And seven have been rejected having had the actual script downloaded...and three are still being processed.
These scripts are a mixed bunch but I'd say fifty percent are Page finalists, or placed in Nichols or Austin...my question is, would submitting them through the public view system have altered anything...and also, if they ask for scripts but don't download them before rejecting aren't they pretty much a waste of time? It would seem that they probably don't bother downloading the scripts if they don't like the logline...but I have no contact with anybody that knows how this system works? They also appear to only have one script in development....that doesn't sound like there's a lot going on that involves the general writers.
consider searching the forums for your answer "Why did my private project not receive any downloads? Did Amazon Studios even read my project?" It's been asked and answered over a dozen times. You can also direct the question into Amazon's support system. Which has also been done over a dozen times.
I hope you understand that Amazon Studios is interested in working with professionals. You are submitting through the amateur channels. If you have an agent/manager, submit your projects through them for a better chance of receiving an option.
They download off a server, so doesn't add to downloads.
Also, they likely check for plagiarism and such, which would explain why they were rejected so quickly.
Well, I just sent them a very excellent mini bible and preschool pilot. It is still being evaluated after 3 days. They said they wanted children's programming so I guess I'll find out soon enough. This script is well written (and this time to standard) and I even created the intro song, which is beyond adorable. I have tons of experience in the area of literacy, which is adorably addressed in this series. It is set to private and will remain so until I find other marketable channels for it if they pass on it.
It is 22 minutes vs. 11 minutes, but includes a lot if movement/ dance for the preschool audience. I did notice most scripts are only 11 min.