I write this as encouragement to all of you on AS, and to not be discouraged by rejection. I submitted my first three screenplays here a while back and all were rejected. Saying to myself there must be some pimple-faced kid reading my work, I swore to continue on, and to never post another script on AS. I kept both promises and am now represented by ICM. My first AS rejection is now entitled Tango Seven and went to today Universal to determine if the Rock would be interested in the lead. No guarantees and no promises, but follow your passion and believe in yourself.
Congrats on your representation and good luck with Universal.
As far as AS or any other obstacle in life, if someone tells you NO, all that means , you are talking to the wrong person.
Why would it go to Universal to see if Rock wanted in, wouldn't it go to his agent?
Congrats c u, great story! Certainly inspiring for the rest of us. I'm curious - how exactly were you able to obtain your agent? Was your script noticed in a contest? On the Black List site? Through good ol' querying? Inquiring minds want to know....
no one tells aspiring writers (in a way that they will believe) that you must prepare yourself for the long trajectory for success... if it ever happens.
Big congrats to you! And good luck at Universal. Thanks for the inspiration.
@ Eric. You are correct. My agent is taking it to the Rock's agent and Universal has a first refusal agreement with him.
@ Jac, I never entered a contest out of naive and misplaced arrogance. I am an active DEA agent about to retire and tried to bring gritty realism to the script and characters. A friend of mine co-wrote it with me and we brought it to his agent at ICM. I was lucky. I know the frustration of spending a year and getting no one to read your work.
@ Keith, well said. I have always motivated myself through adversarial experiences. A disdain over AS rejection led to many hours of swearing at them on the treadmill... Determined to prove their experiment a failure, through my own success.
Talking to myself, the conversations would go: My script isn't good enough for you? F-off and watch me get it made without your amateur hour experience.
I can laugh at myself, knowing how I use my character flaws to advantage.
Anyone interested in following this project, Tango Seven, or my other scripts, feel free to follow on Twitter @CarsonUlrich. Tell me you are a frustrated writer who thought AS could help you and I will be sure to respond.
There is a point my self-promotion and gloating. If you are rejected by AS, don't fret. They are far from an authority on talent. Show the world the fruits of your passion.
Congrats. Rejection has been my middle name for far too long. I think it is time to change that.
Success almost never happens without a lot of preceding failure. First step, determine if you really have talent for the task and are willing to develop your skills. Second step, determine if you want this bad enough to risk giving up other things. Third step, plow ahead realizing that rejection comes not from God but from flawed human beings. Forth step, if you are in the screenwriting biz, be ready to comprise.
And having a background like being a DEA agent, doesn't hurt either.
Wait hold on...you're quick to trash talk Amazon but have you even made a cup of coffee off a script you cowrote which a friend's agent wants the Rock to read?? Is it optioned? Good luck (and congratulation?) but why think so poorly of Amazon Studios because of one decision on one script which for all we or you know might still suck? : ) seriously, humility precedes honor
Reread cu's post and I think you will see humility in the fact that he humanizes his emotions as his own reactions, not necessarily truth about AS.
AS is a big boy. It can take care of itself.
@Eric. You are 100% correct. I felt my first experience with AS was a waste of time. My opinion hasn't changed. When I make my "first cup of coffee", I will keep to myself how it tastes in an attempt to keep my "honor".
You helped me see this thread as a mistake. One parting remark before I go for good... Because that's what I do.
I was cut by by high school basketball team. It pissed me off to the point where the weight room and hard work earned me spot on my college team. Yeah, I was never Michael Jordan but my HS experience and disdain was a great self-motivator.
If you were incited by what I first wrote in this thread try this on: AS is not the high school version of where I plan to play, but recreational league.
Why isn't AS capable of evolving into the major leagues? Why not try again here? Their terms really aren't so bad for up and coming writers...a relationship could develop into high-end WGA terms, and, I hope/think several readers have moved on...AS has made smart additions to their dev slates recently with more mature quality content
In any case best of luck
Eric, I won't try AS again because the loathing warms me. :) You have to realize that I love to exaggerate. Most of what I wrote here is meant to entertain myself. Best of luck to you as well.
If you compel me to be serious, then I have to admit there is nothing wrong with AS. It is a great process for writers. I really hope you find in AS what helps you.
Do I have any doubt my movie will be made? Absolutely none. But dim-witted, ignorant confidence has always been a recipe for success.
@Eric, I know that I am not the most humble person, but I admit that I took offense from your explanation of honor. It's all good though. My psychotic episode is over.
If you have any interest in what DEA FAST does, here is a video of a mission we executed a month before we lost the three friends, who were the agents that inspired my script.
Realize you are not watching a hollywood trailer here, but a $2 budget production from a bunch of meatheads.
Carson actually you seem like a humble team player (as Calvin points out) - and for all I can tell of course honorable...I didn't even get the sense you took offense at my use of the word "honor" (didn't seem like you had a 'psychotic episode' at all) and of course I didn't mean to draw your honor into question in the first place...that's just a phase I use myself as a personal reminder
saw the video though sometime last year when you posted it here I think...it is _very_ well produced (the only fault I noticed was at the beginning with a green night-vision scene?? that to me detracts from the rest of the quality video...its a well intentioned idea but threw me off like embossed bright colored font with fake shadows on a poster...a kind of amateur feel which the rest of the video does not...other than the intro the entire thing was the exact opposite of amateur: cool, quick cuts and engaging...just being honest with that one fault...the gritty feel comes across as totally different than what I can't help thinking is a cheesy game-look at the beginning with the green filter...the gritty feel though is really, really, really cool...you definitely catch that: fog, smoke, disoriented fast camera, perspective - all works...low level silhouettes especially)
What I'm wondering though...the Middle East is a complicated place, and, we've spent 4 trillion - not to mention normal everyday real folk, friends and family dead and injured...and those who have died from 4 trillion in opportunities lost: cancer research unfunded...a debilitated low-Earth orbit zero g pharmaceutical development/space research program...cancellation of head start, closing of libraries, chronic economic problems across a country with 19 trillion in debt owned by foreign interests...I can't help but think all across the board our foreign policy has been a disaster. Many people I've met and know who have served are very jaded, cynical - not walking into the sunset. They're pissed off and disillusioned...as you know the suicide rate is inexcusable, horrific. There's a possibility that a soundtrack of the type in that clip could glorify camaraderie and teamwork and adventure - without showing American kids being blown to pieces, disillusioned, used, not knowing who the enemy is - bored in a total nightmare. And for? Coming home to this on-going invisible war no one ever, ever talks about.
After watching that video I'm rethinking scenes from Apocalypse Now, with Ride of the Valkyries at the beach and Purple Rain on the river gunboat...just very, very seductive scenes to a young man: fun, adventure, cool, hip - not real. Not gritty. A dangerous fantasy. I don't know how to express that sentiment - it's a sensitive subject - but scenes of a bunch of kids with guns walking into the sunset of another country risks being dangerous hype - a tool for the arms industry and lobbyists and politicians who made fortunes squandering the blood of real, normal, everyday neighbors and friends.
Why do your posts always remind me of the expression, "All hat and no cattle?" :-)
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It is interesting that Eric and Carson's PTSD is from Amazon Studios ...
Getting your art "shit on" does have an umbrella effect?
The video has an amateur feel because it is. Just a couple guys laughing over a beer in Kandahar splicing shots from our helmet cameras, longing to return home to close libraries and put a stop to cancer research.
But seriously, that video has nothing to do with my script other than a brief glimpse of me, the writer, during a single day of my life.
In TANGO SEVEN, I reject the formulaic and overused "reluctant hero", and show heroes how they really are. Seeing them enthusiastic and driven will be interpreted as baggage and character flaws and that makes me laugh. That was the hardest part for me to overcome as a writer. How can I comply with Hollywood's tried and true structure, used in every movie, yet bring something different and accurate?... all the while being entertaining and pleasing to the gatekeepers.
If I ever make a film, the entertainment industry and general public will draw comparisons from their only experiences, other films. I write to pass the smell test of realism. Realistic doesn't sell tickets, exciting does. So those are the two masters and serve and they don't like each other.
Congratulations with Universal Studios. Since Jan16th 2013 Jeffrey Kirschenbaum held my script with interest. My script is ' Mr. Umnutfrankenstein" I had sent a paper version of my script first through my Entertainment Agent and with the recommendation of Stacey Snyder Dream Works Studios (She used to be at Universal Studios, back in 1997 I sent her "Mr. Umnutfrankenstein" she told me to revise it and develop my characters more and I did) A lot has happened to me through the years and so it took a while to revise it. This script also comes with a recommendation from Leonardo Dicaprio. Any way in August I was asked to resend my script in PDF file I did and it went straight to Jeff's office I waited a bit longer and finally (I do not know what happened in between) Jeff's secretary told me they cannot read it because it did not come from an agent that they already work with within the studio. I was real MAD and DISAPPOINTED WAITING SO LONG WITH HOPE. So I immediately sent it here to AS and uploaded it out of anger. That was a mistake because I then again talked to Jeff's secretary and they suggested Leo send in the script for me through his production company Appian Way, because they are with Universal Studios. That was September 30th 2013 so I am now waiting for my release through AS (WHICH I KNOW THEY HAVE NOT ACCEPTED IT, I DO NOT EVEN THINK THEY READ IT. I SHOW NO DOWNLOADS) Any way Leo is willing to send my script, only time will tell what will happen to "Mr. Umnutfrankenstein" again I am happy for you.